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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  psxlover on Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:36 am

If you follow the instructions on the Hymn of the Faith page, it's not hard to get the first couple of words (I had found them the first time I saw that page) but getting the whole thing, and understanding what it wants you to do is a different story. I would help but I'm afraid I would spoil it since I already know the answer.
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  Skyflimax on Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:53 am

Artesumamon Endutere Isushigiwe Omunusetin

Doteorupuro Randusu Shanesukarure

Tebrimide Temedumu

Werunayuru Wuyanenwe

The "T" and "W" are quite similar. I don't know if it has anything that we can found by comparing...
The 2nd try...

Wuyanenwe
Endutere
Tebrimide
Artesumamon

Wu En Teb Art
Yan Du Ri Esu
En Te Mi Ma
We Re De Mon

Seems like I am not that familiar with this one as I never play FF X before. So, I may give a try to look for the one line which give a hint about it in the whole map.

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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  psxlover on Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:48 pm

Both are wrong. In the first one you rearranged the words (:S why?) and in the second one you only used the words from one verse.
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  prime_genx on Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:45 pm

couldnt get any worst, at least there something we can ponder unto... blur... at least not blind. ill do some of those sometime
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  Karifean on Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:19 pm

Skyflimax wrote:
Wu En Teb Art
Yan Du Ri Esu
En Te Mi Ma
We Re De Mon

That is pretty much spot on, except that two letters are in the wrong lines and you didn't incorporate the rest of the note yet. Wink
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  mafab on Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:29 pm

I'm not exactly sure what Skyflimax did, but in terms of doing it by syllables i found myself coming up with this (probably wrong):


Wu ya nen we En du te re Te bri mi de Ar te su ma mon
I su shi giwe Sha ne su ka ru re Do te or u pu ro
O mu nu se tin We run a yu ru Te me du mu Ran du su

From the note:
Wuyanenwe Endutere Tebrimide Artesumamon
Isushigiwe Shanesukarure Doteorupuro
Omunusetin Werunayuru Temedumu Randusu

There is a few words I was able to find in this standing on their own, which I made bold.
I colored the "mi" blue because of the possible pronounciation of me.
"Ar te su ma mon" really reminds me of the words art and summon (art to summon Odin?)
"shi giwe" is once again pronounciation (she give or possibly as shi gi we it might be she and we)
"u" as an abriviation of you?

edit: realized color coding might be smarter.
Black: couldn't see anything
Green: Possible abriviation
Bold: something worth noting which is not described in the other colors(is still black)
Blue: Pronounciation
Direct words will be bold (eg. we)

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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  psxlover on Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:41 pm

Did you read the link about the hymn? READ IT
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  Skyflimax on Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:33 pm

Dear psxlover / Karifiean,

For the 1st one in arrangement in order and try to compare. The "W" and "T" seems like quite similar. But I don't think arrangement will definitely works as there is a point in putting the statements in three rows 4 words - 3 words - 4 words. I am asking it just out of curiosity. Since it is ciphered code. So, i guess there might be similar words after dechiper.



For the second one, I try to make one verse first to see whether it is actually correct or not before I'm going to try for the next two. The Hymn is a clue but not exactly the same that we have to follow for its way of decipher. I remembered someone says that someone is close for that and require more than that. Creativity, knowledge and etc. Mix all of them. It means that they might be add some additional ways to cipher the code.

Somehow I wasted my time on doing the quests to obtain the line which is considered the hint for it. I don't think it has anything to do with quests. For those with a "!" civillians (in which only say a certain statement). For eg the spheir or cloud . Maybe we can obtain the hint from all those people.

This is because the quest is related to odin. No point asking those who is saying things related to other quests.

After hearing the good response from you, I guess that I'm in a correct path. I try to decipher all the statements and it may takes some time. Even if I able to decipher, I don't know how to translate into english. So, the others will do the job .. Hopefully I able to decipher it. Based on the Hymn for final fantasy X, it is being clue that can be found on how to decipher them? because for the last one is using the "L". I don't think that the "L" method is used because no instruction is given on that. A mystery note, for this case, should be using only one way to decipher rather than two as it is very hard to do it without knowing that there might be two or more methods necessary for the deciphering process.


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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  Karifean on Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:48 pm

It's English, think phonetically. And no, there's not much of another cipher, except maybe reading the words correctly...
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  psxlover on Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:52 pm

None of the tips will help you decipher the note. It's not a cipher that needs a key or anything. Just follow the instuctions and
Spoiler:
read it out loud
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  mafab on Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:58 pm

I think we have to do do another block (the second rule in the Hymn) for the second line and the "L" Thing for the 3rd line. So it might be cut in thirds and not in 1-4th word 5th and 6th. I will try to decipher it now. (will be an edit of this post.)

Edit1: Just realized something. In the Hymn the first rule has 4 syllables per line (the first line in the note has 4 words)
The second rule has 3 syllables per line (the second line has 3 words)
The third rule has a total of 4 syllables (the third line has 4 words)
This might not mean anything, but it might just as well be a hint of my theory being right.

Edit2: I feel quite lost in that note, but have done some work. I turned the note into syllables and tried to start solving (expect the syllables to be wrong. I'm not used to English syllables)

Line 1:
Wu En Te Art
Ya Du Bri Esu
Nen Te Mi Ma
We Re De Mon

Line 2:
(note that I straight up did the first method at this point)
I Sha Do
Su Ne Te
Shi Su Oru
Gi Ka Pu
We Ru Ro
Re

Line 3:
O We Te Ran
Mu Runa Me Du
Nu Yu Du So
Se Ru Mu
Tin


Now I tried to rearrange it. However I didn't have any success yet. Therefore that will come later.

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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  psxlover on Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:28 pm

You are over complicating things. There are no verses just words
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  mafab on Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:32 pm

I'm just completely lost now :S Someone else might have to take a try until I have a new idea.

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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  Skyflimax on Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:32 pm

I do think that this might be the one on how to pronounce or read it. (refer to below) Many thanks to Karifean and psxlover for the info. :3 I will try to continue tomolo. Right now 1:30AM already. Time to sleep. Nitez, everyone~

International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)

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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  Flameseeker on Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:03 pm

So if two letters are swapped on the Skyflimax's try i would change it like this: yan->ya en->nen and teb->te ri->bri.

The 1st one i would divide like this (4 syllable each):
Wu ya nen we
En du te re
Te bri mi de
Art esu ma mon

Conveted:
Wu en te art
ya du bri esu
nen te mi ma
we re de mon

Now if this is a phonetical puzzle we could read "Wu en" as "When", but there's still a problem. Should we read by sentence or with the whole thing pilled up?
Just check this for example (i'm not converting them, just read in the vertical):
Wu yanenwe
En dutere
Te brimide
Art esumamon
Is ushigiwe
Sha nesukarure
Do teorupuro
O munusetin
W erunayuru
Te medumu
Ra ndusu

Wu En Te Art Is Sha Do O W Te Ra
WuEn->When
TeArtIs->"TeArt" 's
ShaDoOw->Shadow
TeRa->no idea
Dunno what to make to make of most of it but i would read: "When "someone"/"something" 's shadow...."

Note:
left the "O" solo for convenience, just so it doesn't screw my word. But "ShaDo" could also be read as "shadow" and maybe adding "Om and "We"/"Wer" would be a better idea.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  psxlover on Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:09 pm

Flameseeker wrote:
TeArtIs->"TeArt" 's
Don't put the t and it's make sense
Flameseeker wrote:
TeRa->no idea
Read again the whole wiki and you'll see why it makes no sense Smile
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  mafab on Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:15 pm

Don't put the t and it's make sense
So it means earth?
When earth is shadow and the TeRa is part with the w to make wter=water? (leaving the a)
(I think I got the place where you have to go, not sure if I'm allowed to say it, not like I will get the note any time soon anyway to test it.)

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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  psxlover on Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:17 pm

The other t...
And like I said read the wiki for the tera thing
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  mafab on Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:20 pm

Oh, I thought I had the place Sad I was thinking of the bottom right, below Kilrog)

So it means: "when the tear is shadow"

But which wiki are you referring to, this one or the Hymn of Fayth one?

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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  psxlover on Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:23 pm

How did you get "the tear" from "Te Ar". It's the worst engrish you've ever seen, you need to use you're imagination.

This is a forum, the Hymn of Fate is posted on a wiki.
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  mafab on Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:32 pm

I accidentally added "the"...
And I'm kinda off track today anyways, so don't expect to much sense or imagination of me, for today at least.
But I might be able to get "when there is shadow"

edit: I'm actually in such bad shape, that I didn't even notice that you are referring to the note as the worst Engrish and not me messing up with the syllables.


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Post  Flameseeker on Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:57 pm

without the T hum...
Teart - T = eart ->earth/heart (probably the T shouldn't be there on my division, but i'll figure that out later)

So it would be something like "When earth's shadow..." (earth makes more sense because it would indicate the time. Also i still got the probable mistakes that led to shadow, but moving on).

Also there's a problem regarding the division of the other words.
I was able to divide the 1st 4 words in 4 syllable each, but unless i don't really know if that's true for the others which can complicate a little.

There's also the thing with the last 2 verses of the Hymn that he transforms them making that rectangle and then the "L" shaped thingy.
If that's also true here obviously i was reading "TeRa" with the wrong translation code.

So attempt on the last 2 words:
1st-Syllable division
Te me du mu
Ran du su

2nd- divide and make a rectangle (square in this case due to letter length)
Te du
me mu

3rd- L shaped last word
Ran
du su

4th- combine
Te du Ran->"Then you run"? (really farfetched since i don't even believe it's right)
me mu du su-> absolutely no idea

So after getting those pretty combined words i'm thinking i'm screwing in the division phase. The original Hymn had more syllable so i could try t get "Ran"-> "Ra" "n" since we casually already use "n" as "and". Also lots of "u"s so maybe some could be separated as and be read as "you".

Almost dinner time, so i'll stop doing weird guesses before restoring a bit of energy.

Little modification:
mafab posted while i was writting and i'm a bit lazy to rewrite the whole thing but "TeAr" 's ->"there's" doesn't sound bad. Actually makes more sense that some of the things i write...

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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  psxlover on Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:09 pm

Looking at the solution, it seems that I was wrong about the "TeRa" thing. That explains why I never got farther than what you've found thus far.
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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  mafab on Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:15 pm

Does that mean that the TeRa does mean something?

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Re: Finding Odin! (Remade!)

Post  psxlover on Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:17 pm

To tell you the truth... I have no idea :S
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